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		<title>By: Webloggin &#187; Obama&#8217;s Failure at Saddleback Demonstrates Why He Is Afraid to Debate John McCain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Webloggin &#187; Obama&#8217;s Failure at Saddleback Demonstrates Why He Is Afraid to Debate John McCain</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Michael Eden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Eden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Occam,

I was forced to share hours of my life last year with exactly the type of guy you're describing.  He worked out in my gym.  His mind simply could not or would not "transgress" any ideological boundaries.  He would use phrases such like "It doesn't matter," "It doesn't make any difference," and (my favorite) "they're totally different" rather than think about anything that could contradict literally ANYTHING he believed.

As liberal as this guy was, he liked Lou Dobbs because he was anti-illegal immigration.  He had Dobb's CNN program on one day and told me, "You should watch him.  He knows what he's talking about."  Well, almost immediately after he said that, Dobbs had a segment on Iraq, and Dobbs was saying, "We have to stay, and we have to win."

Now, I had argued many times with this uber-lib on Iraq.  He took all the doctrinaire lib positions: its an immoral war, and we have to leave NOW.  So I point out to my "friend," Do you hear what your boy Dobbs is saying about Iraq?  He was standing there watching the program with me.  Nope.  He simply would not understand anything that got caught in his ideological filter.  He liked Dobbs, and therefore Dobbs wouldn't say something like that.  Period.  It was one of the most remarkable things I've ever seen in my life.  He had an iron-willed commitment to live in his own literal world.

It's not about low IQs.  It's about a radical commitment to believe in a flawed, perverted, and theoretical worldview no matter what.  These people literally will themselves to be stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Occam,</p>
<p>I was forced to share hours of my life last year with exactly the type of guy you&#8217;re describing.  He worked out in my gym.  His mind simply could not or would not &#8220;transgress&#8221; any ideological boundaries.  He would use phrases such like &#8220;It doesn&#8217;t matter,&#8221; &#8220;It doesn&#8217;t make any difference,&#8221; and (my favorite) &#8220;they&#8217;re totally different&#8221; rather than think about anything that could contradict literally ANYTHING he believed.</p>
<p>As liberal as this guy was, he liked Lou Dobbs because he was anti-illegal immigration.  He had Dobb&#8217;s CNN program on one day and told me, &#8220;You should watch him.  He knows what he&#8217;s talking about.&#8221;  Well, almost immediately after he said that, Dobbs had a segment on Iraq, and Dobbs was saying, &#8220;We have to stay, and we have to win.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now, I had argued many times with this uber-lib on Iraq.  He took all the doctrinaire lib positions: its an immoral war, and we have to leave NOW.  So I point out to my &#8220;friend,&#8221; Do you hear what your boy Dobbs is saying about Iraq?  He was standing there watching the program with me.  Nope.  He simply would not understand anything that got caught in his ideological filter.  He liked Dobbs, and therefore Dobbs wouldn&#8217;t say something like that.  Period.  It was one of the most remarkable things I&#8217;ve ever seen in my life.  He had an iron-willed commitment to live in his own literal world.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not about low IQs.  It&#8217;s about a radical commitment to believe in a flawed, perverted, and theoretical worldview no matter what.  These people literally will themselves to be stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: occam</title>
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		<dc:creator>occam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 03:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama Camp: "McCain did well at the Saddleback forum so he must have cheated."

It amuses me to see how left-wing liberals always whine and cry foul when they get their butts kicked. It's my belief this is because the true left-wing liberal is so convinced that his position correct he is utterly incapable of seeing or believing actual facts that are inconsistent with his world view.

Because they are closed minded, they can not even conceive of the possibility that they may be wrong and they will totally and completely ignore any and all fact that proves them wrong. In word, they are ideologues. When ignoring fact fails, they cry “cheat” and don the tinfoil hats of conspiracy moonbats. Truly pathetic.

These are souless people who will never be happy for they live illusory lives. The left-wing liberal is a perpetual victim in search of victimizers -- victimology is the basis of the left-wing liberal politics.
It's easy to see why Obama is their candidate ... he too is an illusion, a figment of his own imagination.

Obama, CHANGE you can believe in if you want a President who is narcissistic, specious, vacuous, and effete.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama Camp: &#8220;McCain did well at the Saddleback forum so he must have cheated.&#8221;</p>
<p>It amuses me to see how left-wing liberals always whine and cry foul when they get their butts kicked. It&#8217;s my belief this is because the true left-wing liberal is so convinced that his position correct he is utterly incapable of seeing or believing actual facts that are inconsistent with his world view.</p>
<p>Because they are closed minded, they can not even conceive of the possibility that they may be wrong and they will totally and completely ignore any and all fact that proves them wrong. In word, they are ideologues. When ignoring fact fails, they cry “cheat” and don the tinfoil hats of conspiracy moonbats. Truly pathetic.</p>
<p>These are souless people who will never be happy for they live illusory lives. The left-wing liberal is a perpetual victim in search of victimizers &#8212; victimology is the basis of the left-wing liberal politics.<br />
It&#8217;s easy to see why Obama is their candidate &#8230; he too is an illusion, a figment of his own imagination.</p>
<p>Obama, CHANGE you can believe in if you want a President who is narcissistic, specious, vacuous, and effete.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Eden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Eden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 02:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've got to go back to something that Rob in post #2 said: there really never WAS a "cone of silence."  It was a joke that Rick Warren made.  If the media took it seriously, they just reveal how silly they truly are.

Rick Warren has come out forcefully in stating categorically that John McCain could not have "cheated."  Warren says he went from Secret Service motorcade to the designated area with Saddleback security present.  Warren rightly points out that the claim that McCain cheated is an insult to the Secret Service, to Saddleback's security, and to Rick Warren himself.

I also agree with David H.  Obama came across far more as a lawyer trying to get a guilty client off than as a man sincerely trying to honestly answer questions about his values.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got to go back to something that Rob in post #2 said: there really never WAS a &#8220;cone of silence.&#8221;  It was a joke that Rick Warren made.  If the media took it seriously, they just reveal how silly they truly are.</p>
<p>Rick Warren has come out forcefully in stating categorically that John McCain could not have &#8220;cheated.&#8221;  Warren says he went from Secret Service motorcade to the designated area with Saddleback security present.  Warren rightly points out that the claim that McCain cheated is an insult to the Secret Service, to Saddleback&#8217;s security, and to Rick Warren himself.</p>
<p>I also agree with David H.  Obama came across far more as a lawyer trying to get a guilty client off than as a man sincerely trying to honestly answer questions about his values.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 02:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama's problem is that he answers every question as though he's searching for the right answer in an oral exam or a job interview.  McCain answers based on how he honestly feels.  This is a HUGE difference, and undecided voters will pick up on it right away.  This is Obama's big Achilles' heel and it will be on prime-time display during the debates unless Obama's camp does something to make them less than spontaneous.  The polls indicate that this election is so close, it may all come down to performance in the debates.  If so, Obama loses.  We're talking basic personality, not some policy where he can just change his position to be more electable.  Remember the unsuccesful attempts to change Gore's personality for the election.  Besides, Obama is a long way from realizing that he could have ANY unfavorable personality traits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama&#8217;s problem is that he answers every question as though he&#8217;s searching for the right answer in an oral exam or a job interview.  McCain answers based on how he honestly feels.  This is a HUGE difference, and undecided voters will pick up on it right away.  This is Obama&#8217;s big Achilles&#8217; heel and it will be on prime-time display during the debates unless Obama&#8217;s camp does something to make them less than spontaneous.  The polls indicate that this election is so close, it may all come down to performance in the debates.  If so, Obama loses.  We&#8217;re talking basic personality, not some policy where he can just change his position to be more electable.  Remember the unsuccesful attempts to change Gore&#8217;s personality for the election.  Besides, Obama is a long way from realizing that he could have ANY unfavorable personality traits.</p>
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		<title>By: Now it&#8217;s McCain&#8217;s fault Obama&#8217;s awful without a teleprompter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Now it&#8217;s McCain&#8217;s fault Obama&#8217;s awful without a teleprompter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] who isn&#8217;t so adroit without a teleprompter and a gaggle of adoring fans. So now they are accusing John McCain of cheating by listening in on Obama&#8217;s quetions. How else could he have been so [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Eden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Eden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James,
In answer to your second post, you should re-read the top of my article.  Andrea Mitchell got this story - and broadcasted it - as having come directly from the Obama campaign.  So whether you've seen it or not, they are the ones who began this charge.

And there is no evidence of it.  It is nothing more than a technical possibility, and not much of one at that.  As I've pointed out, we're talking about half and hour, and the first three questions had already been given (McCain only got the first two).

When someone calls you a cheater without evidence just because they lost, that is practically the dictionary definition of a sore loser.

As to your first post, I'm a little troubled that you have been so completely indoctrinated in "the separation of church and state" mythology that you would express this concern.  The view you express was never the case in American history until a few liberal justices suddenly said it was.  The biggest irony of all is that Thomas Jefferson - the author of the "separation" phrase, feared an activist judiciary more than anything else.  Jefferson is rolling in his grave because his ideas were perverted by the very judiciary he most warned against.

I hope that as a teacher - and most especially as a Christian teacher - you will endeavor to learn the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,<br />
In answer to your second post, you should re-read the top of my article.  Andrea Mitchell got this story - and broadcasted it - as having come directly from the Obama campaign.  So whether you&#8217;ve seen it or not, they are the ones who began this charge.</p>
<p>And there is no evidence of it.  It is nothing more than a technical possibility, and not much of one at that.  As I&#8217;ve pointed out, we&#8217;re talking about half and hour, and the first three questions had already been given (McCain only got the first two).</p>
<p>When someone calls you a cheater without evidence just because they lost, that is practically the dictionary definition of a sore loser.</p>
<p>As to your first post, I&#8217;m a little troubled that you have been so completely indoctrinated in &#8220;the separation of church and state&#8221; mythology that you would express this concern.  The view you express was never the case in American history until a few liberal justices suddenly said it was.  The biggest irony of all is that Thomas Jefferson - the author of the &#8220;separation&#8221; phrase, feared an activist judiciary more than anything else.  Jefferson is rolling in his grave because his ideas were perverted by the very judiciary he most warned against.</p>
<p>I hope that as a teacher - and most especially as a Christian teacher - you will endeavor to learn the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: James McPherson</title>
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		<dc:creator>James McPherson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One question, Michael: Why do you blame the Obama campaign for the accusations and with being "sore losers"? I've seen nothing from anyone associated with the campaign itself suggesting that McCain cheated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One question, Michael: Why do you blame the Obama campaign for the accusations and with being &#8220;sore losers&#8221;? I&#8217;ve seen nothing from anyone associated with the campaign itself suggesting that McCain cheated.</p>
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		<title>By: James McPherson</title>
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		<dc:creator>James McPherson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe McCain's guard was a Solzhenitsyn fan. :-)

Seriously, though, while I agree that McCain did better than Obama, I doubt that the discussion will have much of an effect on anything. Given a choice of a religious/political discussion on a Saturday night in August, most of the relatively few people who were home watching television were tuned to the Olympics. McCain was going to get the conservative evangelical vote, anyway, though he may have boosted his credibility with the folks he once termed “agents of intolerance.” Obama may have countered the ongoing fiction that he is a Muslim, though the people stupid enough to believe that may not be able to figure out how to vote, anyway–and if they do, they weren’t going to vote for Obama.

And despite the fact that I'm a Christian teaching at a Christian university, I am a bit troubled that the candidates felt they needed to attend a church-sponsored discussion at all, a further complication of what I see as an often negative relationship between religion and presidential politics. It would bother me less if the candidates felt equally compelled to answer questions from a union leader, a state governor, the mayor of a major American city (New Orleans or New York, perhaps?), a panel of teachers and parents, and a panel of economists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe McCain&#8217;s guard was a Solzhenitsyn fan. :-)</p>
<p>Seriously, though, while I agree that McCain did better than Obama, I doubt that the discussion will have much of an effect on anything. Given a choice of a religious/political discussion on a Saturday night in August, most of the relatively few people who were home watching television were tuned to the Olympics. McCain was going to get the conservative evangelical vote, anyway, though he may have boosted his credibility with the folks he once termed “agents of intolerance.” Obama may have countered the ongoing fiction that he is a Muslim, though the people stupid enough to believe that may not be able to figure out how to vote, anyway–and if they do, they weren’t going to vote for Obama.</p>
<p>And despite the fact that I&#8217;m a Christian teaching at a Christian university, I am a bit troubled that the candidates felt they needed to attend a church-sponsored discussion at all, a further complication of what I see as an often negative relationship between religion and presidential politics. It would bother me less if the candidates felt equally compelled to answer questions from a union leader, a state governor, the mayor of a major American city (New Orleans or New York, perhaps?), a panel of teachers and parents, and a panel of economists.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Eden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Eden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kurt,
Other than it's spin-off MSNBC, NBC is the most liberal network on TV.  Bill O'Reilly recently did a segment talking about liberal journalistic bias, and he featured a bunch of five HORRIFYINGLY pro-Obama statements made by Andrea Mitchell (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOwi6kMFDQw).  So you're just SMOKING something to say she's conservative.

http://hotair.com/archives/2007/01/05/video-andrea-mitchell-says-network-news-isnt-biased/
features a pic of Keith Olbermann doing a sieg heil behind a Bill O Reilly mask.  These people are hard-core left, and so are you.

As for Rob's "points," let me start with the "cross in the sand" thing.  Are you seriously suggesting that no Christian other than Solzhenitsyn's guard would use an image of a cross to surreptitiously reveal he was a Christian in a dangerous circumstance?  GET REAL!  The reason McCain's story rings true - and the reason as a God-despising liberal you are so upset by it - is because that's exactly what ANY secretly Christian guard in a godless communist system would have done in such a circumstance.

McCain missed a TOTAL of half AN HOUR.  And the first THREE questions were given to both candidates beforehand!  McCain hammered the entire debate; not merely the tiny period where he might potentially have been able to know a question.

Again, your anger and your ridiculous claim of cheating just goes to show that Obama LOST and you are all a bunch of incredibly sore losers about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kurt,<br />
Other than it&#8217;s spin-off MSNBC, NBC is the most liberal network on TV.  Bill O&#8217;Reilly recently did a segment talking about liberal journalistic bias, and he featured a bunch of five HORRIFYINGLY pro-Obama statements made by Andrea Mitchell (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOwi6kMFDQw).  So you&#8217;re just SMOKING something to say she&#8217;s conservative.</p>
<p><a href="http://hotair.com/archives/2007/01/05/video-andrea-mitchell-says-network-news-isnt-biased/" rel="nofollow">http://hotair.com/archives/2007/01/05/video-andrea-mitchell-says-network-news-isnt-biased/</a><br />
features a pic of Keith Olbermann doing a sieg heil behind a Bill O Reilly mask.  These people are hard-core left, and so are you.</p>
<p>As for Rob&#8217;s &#8220;points,&#8221; let me start with the &#8220;cross in the sand&#8221; thing.  Are you seriously suggesting that no Christian other than Solzhenitsyn&#8217;s guard would use an image of a cross to surreptitiously reveal he was a Christian in a dangerous circumstance?  GET REAL!  The reason McCain&#8217;s story rings true - and the reason as a God-despising liberal you are so upset by it - is because that&#8217;s exactly what ANY secretly Christian guard in a godless communist system would have done in such a circumstance.</p>
<p>McCain missed a TOTAL of half AN HOUR.  And the first THREE questions were given to both candidates beforehand!  McCain hammered the entire debate; not merely the tiny period where he might potentially have been able to know a question.</p>
<p>Again, your anger and your ridiculous claim of cheating just goes to show that Obama LOST and you are all a bunch of incredibly sore losers about it.</p>
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